The above photo was taken at 7:20 pm tonight, Common Cup is still open at that time. Highly ironic to see loitering right out side the nice new building at Greenview and Morse and the Rogers Park Business Alliance. Loitering is associated with shootings and for some reason the Common Cup (this is an assumption, perhaps they did call the police, but doubt it) hasn't learned its lesson yet. Are these young men in gangs? Perhaps, perhaps not, but rival bangers will shoot at what looks like rival bangers; they aren't that choosy. This is a recipe for disaster. There is a reason why there are shootings at Greenview and Morse, and the picture above shows the root cause. Why is this being tolerated?
Update 5/29/13 5 am - Click this link to read about the recent drive by shooting right by the Common Cup. Where there is smoke there is fire. The smoke being the loitering. This writer has already talked to the Common Cup about the loitering a year ago to deaf ears, and this writer is not welcome there. Ruth had said "they aren't doing anything wrong". This writer was told to stop harassing them and threatened that they would call the police if talked to about this loitering again. So the ball is in their court, the neighbors at this corner have to care, perhaps positive loitering should return. Serving coffee with youth loitering kitty corner to your coffee shop is dangerous and foolhardy.
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It is being tolerated because people like you don't talk with the management of Common Cup; people like you don't call 911 to report suspicious activity and people like you like to write about things like this on personal blogs that hardly anyone is interested in reading (fortunately we monitor some of them). That's the answer to why it's being tolerated if you really are interested in an answer. Either you are part of the solution or you are part of the problem.
I agree P.O.B. but Common Cup doesn't want to talk with me anymore. I am not welcome there. At that place I am a pariah. I can't devote my life to calling 911 with loitering on Morse.
Sometimes the pen is mightier than the sword. This is Common Cup's fight, this is the neighbors of Greenview and Morse's Fight.
Are they sick of the gunfire? They don't appear to be. This loitering problem will be highlighted here until something is done about it.
There's the gosh darn fightin' spirit. "I'm not welcome there." Good work, loser.
In light of the recent shooting and other issues on Morse, one would think (expect?) proactive, policing in the area, with zero tolerance for any loitering.
LOL I think in the time it took you to post this picture and write this article you could have easily called the Po Po 6 or 7 times and maybe more. The police shut down our Occupy encampment downtown in less time LOL.
Scary to think that a local blogger has to patrol the neighborhood, while the neighbors and coffee shop at that corner don't care.
That's why those guys are loitering there.
When is Greenview and Morse going to stick up for itself?
I count six known Morse Avenue GD's in this photo. I guess they don't like hanging out with me at Morse and Wayne.
This post is to point out a problem and not divide the community, we have to work together to make Morse a safe place.
Thanks for info Craig. Next time, if there is a next time will try to get a better photograph, this was taken from the Family Dollar parking lot.
yeah ya coulda both called 911 and got them bangers busted but ya hopped on your dang keyboard instead which ain't doing nothin. good work pointin' it out guys but maybe pick up the phone and spend 45 seconds doing something useful too. evey little bit helps
But this writer cant play patrol all the time.
This corner and this coffee-shop and various neighbors who actually live there have to want a safe corner.
Sometimes its more useful to write about it and post it. You also cant take on all fights, its not my corner its the Common Cups' corner.
Yes burn out can occur, but if shootings are happening at your corner and block you have to fight it. The bangers will return day in and day out, until the people there call the cops day in and day out. Scattered calls here and there wont help.
Ok, will call 911 next time, but others have to pitch in too.
A bullet through a window should be a sign that perhaps the young men hanging by your shop are attracting unwanted attention and perhaps they should be asked to move on and trouble brewing should be nipped in the bud.
Boy where I come from there ain't a lot of loiterers but when there are we usually send them on their way. If we needed to call the sheriff we would do that and he'd flash his lights and tell the youngsters to move along. But we sure wouldn't just go on some web site and point fingers at people not doing anything. That's just not the Christian thing to do. We'd all do our part.
For some reason unfathomable to me it is a mortal sin to criticize anybody who's black anymore.
That's the problem with Common Cup staff.
The guy whose six month old got shot, it was over a stolen videogame console, and they went with the tired "he's turning his life around" crap now that somebody "snitched".
Somebody brilliant has to find a way to destroy this destructive culture from within and go back to the proud, tight black families of yesterday, I am not that person, but that's what needs to be done. I am old enough to remember those fine days. MLK shouldn't have died for nothing.
Well now Mr. Dude that's a pretty ignorant encapsulation of a much larger problem. Even us country folk from northeastern Indiana understand that. If I were a gambling man I'd bet you haven't had a lot of schooling in grammar and spelling. Just as it would be wrong for me to assume that because you can't spell or structure a paragraph in proper form to mean you're an uneducated hooligan, it's just as idiotic and small minded to say something like "tight black families of yesterday" as if that blanket statement is an accurate depiction of history and the social atmosphere of the time.
Do you believe your own BS? Are you counting the guy behind the tree too...har har har!
I'm bailing out of this conversation because people here are clearly former Everyblockers who would rather do Ad hominem attacks and other typical EB behavior rather than have an honest discussions.
English is not my primary language and I do not have to pass editorial guidelines to comment on things on blogs.
You ran EB right into the ground and I hope the former staff there are still unemployable due to their hypocrisy and childish behavior.
Rogers Park and Chicago is and will continue to be horrible as long as people decide that certain members of society are special snowflakes who cannot be criticized no matter what. Nobody is special or above criticism.
If it were culturally shameful to sit on your butt all day and do nothing, no matter the color of the person, this kind of crap would not happen so much.
Continue to be buttheads all you want, and just play your fiddle as Rome burns.
Crybaby.
I'm a neighbor, but a bit nervous to call the police every time I see it. Thanks for posing Philip. I appreciate you bringing awareness to the issue.
I'm new to the neighborhood and live near this corner. I'm a bit nervous to call the police. Thank you for posting Philip, aware needs to be brought to the issue.
@Joe, that's normal to be nervous. The gangs power is that of intimidation. But are we safer with present? No, because rival gangs will shoot at them if you let them loiter there.
The gangs are amazingly persistent, because that is their game, there is nothing else they can do but try to impossibly hold onto Morse.
It is important to call attention to this MAJOR PROBLEM, for it is the reason that people were almost killed at the Common Cup.
Positive Loitering was great last year, but it is naive to think that the gang problem is over. Nope. The gang on Morse is back and more obnoxious than ever, but it wont be tolerated.
I want to thank son-fo Jeff-O, mom of Jeff-O and Jeff-O himself. For today we did what we could to hold positive ground on Morse and Wayne.
We were outnumbered, didn't have official backing, no police or business owner help, yet at the end of the day we didn't get shot and a city planter got groomed.
Not bad.
But much work still needs to be done.
Thanks Craig. :)
Also again to Joe or anyone afraid to call police. Ask for silent dispatch when you call about gang loitering and you can remain anonymous, they wont know who is calling.
The gangs all have police scanners, thats why you should ask for silent dispatch so they cant get a heads up that the cops are on the way.
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